tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post9079384361942042056..comments2024-02-03T06:58:02.859-04:00Comments on My Face Is On Fire: PETA and HSUS Tag-Team to Take on Pizza Industry? Hardly!Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-59658768094870333982010-05-03T12:56:47.205-03:002010-05-03T12:56:47.205-03:00saui, this article is no way misleading. If anyth...saui, this article is no way misleading. If anything, the activities in which PETA and HSUS are engaging to profit from animal exploitation are misleading. They are not going to influence other shareholders to do anything other than what bring the other shareholders more money. In many cases, regulating how animals are treated can actually lead to higher profit margins. So while HSUS and PETA may be able to convince those companies shareholder to agree to changes that would increase profits and lead to phony "happy meat" PR that will make consumers feel more comfortable eating their products, the truth is that this benefits nobody but the shareholders -- HSUS, PETA or otherwise -- by filling their pockets with money. As long as their is demand for animal products, those companies will continue to use animals.<br /><br />On the other hand, PETA and HSUS could spend some of their millions focusing on the demand side of things to educate humans about no eating or otherwise exploiting non-human animals. But no, they'd rather invest in their companies under the pretext of being able to change things from inside, while they each profit off the continued use of animals. If you don't understand the problem with this, then I think that you should consider reading Gary Francione's "Rain Without Thunder" to gain some insight into why regulationism -- new welfarism -- doesn't work.Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800153451645970774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-66747509999388184012010-05-01T22:18:35.076-03:002010-05-01T22:18:35.076-03:00I don't know what the intentions of PETA and H...I don't know what the intentions of PETA and HSUS are, exactly in respects to this article... but even if they're intentions are to gain control over these companies and thereby influencing what goes on the menus, WHO CARES?! History has show us (loud and clear) that PETA and HSUS are not interested in putting VEGAN items on the menus. These are welfarist organizations who continually put their efforts into influencing large companies (ie. KFC, Whole Foods, Burger King, etc) to introduce "happy" animal foods to their customers.<br /><br />There are many many ways to spend your money that ACTUALLY influence social change in the name of animal rights... buying stock in Domino's Pizza in order to get gassed chickens or "free-range" eggs put on the menu does not- and will never- influence any sort of social change.<br /><br />Anybody who claims that money is not part of the incentive, by joining hands with billion-dollar companies like Dominos, does not know the history of the welfarist movement. PETA and HSUS know that pushing for vegan menu options is not a plausible goal, so they intentionally push for higher welfare items to attract the interests of a welfarist society, therefor gaining public support/interest. More public support and interest = more cash donations in their pockets. These organizations are businesses... and businesses are reliant on money. <br /><br />You can read a recent blog I wrote on animal rights and money here: http://veganforjustice.blogspot.com/2010/04/animal-right-abolition-and-money_22.htmlMatthew Finaterihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13114727867225570057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-75614375678439249692010-05-01T05:08:12.764-03:002010-05-01T05:08:12.764-03:00This article is SUPER MISLEADING. When you buy sto...This article is SUPER MISLEADING. When you buy stock you can attend a meeting and influence the main stock holders who ultimately control he company. So they can buy ONE share- in the case of dominoes- this would be $15. I wouldn't call that supporting them, or profiting off them. Now if a lot of AR people do it, they will ultimately choose who runs that business and vote on how it's run. So technically if all the vegs buy it - its gonna have a heavy veg influence and turn over.<br /><br />Some of you really need to Google "shareholders influence on a business" before jumping to conclusions. It's easy to assume - hard to think for yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-36373671122140378432010-04-30T10:24:13.317-03:002010-04-30T10:24:13.317-03:00The pathetic part is that according to this articl...The pathetic part is that according to this article, HSUS and PETA have absolutely no interest in influencing demand for the animal products used by the companies of which they're now shareholders; they're only seeking to regulate how some of the animals being exploited are treated. What's worse is that even if they do get those virtually meaningless changes to take place, they'll claim it as a "victory" and probably bestow some sort of "humane company" award on Domino's or Papa John's, thus endorsing the companies and getting even <i>more</i> people to feel comfortable eating their pizzas. Instead of trying to lower the demand for these products, they will very likely end up causing it to increase.Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800153451645970774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-4702439537018662222010-04-30T09:44:56.635-03:002010-04-30T09:44:56.635-03:00Uhh, I think I just threw up a little in my mouth....Uhh, I think I just threw up a little in my mouth...<br /><br />Also (and as Francione has pointed out several times), "working" with industry- whether that industry be animal agriculture or pizza- in attempt to effect the supply of animal foods, will never work so long as the demand is there.<br /><br />The reality is that anybody who wants cheese on their pizza is going to have cheese on their pizza. Sure, some health-foodies may opt for the new alternative, and maybe these chains will even gain new customers (vegans, lactose-intollerant's, etc), which could actually increase their net profit, allowing them to open more restaurants thus increasing demand for more animal foods. ...blah blah blah... its not even worth analysing.<br /><br />Selling your soul and profiting off the skin and bones of animals who's "rights" you claim to stand up for, in attempt to get a few customers to order soy cheese or veggie sausage on their pizza (who will then go home and have chicken for dinner) is wrong on so many levels, that I don't even know where to begin. <br /><br />Thank-you for this post!Matthew Finaterihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13114727867225570057noreply@blogger.com