tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post2051709642734230483..comments2024-02-03T06:58:02.859-04:00Comments on My Face Is On Fire: On Rejecting Animal UseUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-86878382287171891172011-05-11T18:48:32.408-03:002011-05-11T18:48:32.408-03:00You are well spoken and thoughtful in your argumen...You are well spoken and thoughtful in your arguments, so I thought I would ask you this- how does one reconcile being an abolitionist vegan with being pro-choice? Most of my vegan friends are also staunchly pro-choice.<br /><br />It is often difficult for me to understand how it makes moral sense to advocate that one shouldn't exploit honeybees or kill scorpions, but aborting a fetus in the third trimester is ok. I've had the question posed to me and I cannot honestly give a morally and logically consistent answer to it. I can't remember if I have asked you this before, I may have left a comment and forgot to come back and check for your reply. If so, I apologize. Thanks in advance for any help you can give in this area.Gadget Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12971024177627139486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-76801596176092082842011-05-10T17:34:29.149-03:002011-05-10T17:34:29.149-03:00i totally agree with you, Mylene. another excellen...i totally agree with you, Mylene. another excellent post, indeed. this is what really got me, "foregoing animal flesh while otherwise consuming animal products is still engaging in animal exploitation." it's so true. people are only fooling themselves if they believe consuming animal products (and "humane/happy" meat) isn't choosing to support cruelty and violence. they're still guilty of it no matter how much self-convincing they do. it's up to us to speak up for non-human animals and to help everyone understand that veganism is absolute least anyone should do if they truly have the interest of non-human animals in mind. i think it was awesome of you to point this out to the commenter, and i agree with the The Rational Vegan in that the she would have proceeded to exploit the chickens without another thought towards her actions. it's up to us to speak up and speak out. thank you!jessyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01239751125232117374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-7833777157168788422011-05-10T17:11:55.138-03:002011-05-10T17:11:55.138-03:00Thank you for this. I too tried to engage these hu...Thank you for this. I too tried to engage these humane chicken farmers on this thread to seemingly no avail. My hometown is very much on the cutting edge of greeniness, foodieness, eco-friendly farming, and prides itself on just how damn humane they can be, a quality that is directly proportional to how tasty the animals are. <br /><br />My friend just started keeping bees and chickens and I've told him again and again how exploitative this is from an abolitionist vegan's standpoint. His problem is lack of information regarding animal rights theory. <br /><br />However, the people arguing with you on this thread, are well aware of what happens to roosters, the way chicks are bred and sold, and other inconvenient truths, but are absolutely convinced of their god-like authority over the animal kingdom.los doggieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08707655826390077511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-49922645373760330762011-05-10T14:53:27.124-03:002011-05-10T14:53:27.124-03:00That's a good example of how "humane trea...That's a good example of how "humane treatment" results in ethical complacency. If not for being challenged, this person would probably continue to consume eggs without another thought on the topic. I do hope she came back to read your comment.The Rational Veganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18282898794561609022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-14955775570522417432011-05-10T14:29:00.930-03:002011-05-10T14:29:00.930-03:00The change is not bi-directional. As a vegan abol...The change is not bi-directional. As a vegan abolitionist I agree with everything you said. I think we need to realize that although veganism is the moral baseline to not recognize that any reduction in animal use is "a step in the right direction," is doing the "movement" towards veganism a disservice. I agree that we must advocate veganism and not half way measures. I also think that people make changes in small steps. I know I did. <br /><br />Stop reading for 1 second and for that one second don't think of the color WHITE. OK, ready, go. You couldn't do it. You didn't think of all the other colors, just the one you weren't supposed to think of. It's the same thing with "giving up" meat. People don't readily see the amazing vegan options, just the "no meat," aspect of it. For some it takes time.<br /><br />If someone gives up meat I say bravo. If they give up eating chickens, kudos. I'm not advocating that veganism becomes diet centered, merely saying that if we attack the slaughterhouses, as Gary Francione says, financially, it IS a step in the right direction.<br /><br />Now, if someone gives up eating animals or their by products we need to keep up a gentle pressure to keep them moving in that direction. The use of "happy" meat/eggs/whatever is something we need to discredit. Going "back" to eating something because you think it's happy is what I mean when I say the change is not bi-directional. After someone gives up a food how we can keep them moving in the right direction, I believe, should be the question.<br /><br />Marty<br />Marty's Flying Vegan Review<br />www.martysnycveggiereview.blogspot.com<br />@veganpilotmartyMartyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14633111717619300610noreply@blogger.com