tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post6748246514119953994..comments2024-02-03T06:58:02.859-04:00Comments on My Face Is On Fire: Hate and Gibberish in "The Chronicle of Higher Education"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-59324407807176312062010-07-21T10:49:58.584-03:002010-07-21T10:49:58.584-03:00Logical fallacies....so many logical fallacies in ...Logical fallacies....so many logical fallacies in his arguments. And non-sequitors...those too. *frustration*Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13172745203823776044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-555322414416237032010-07-19T06:26:06.759-03:002010-07-19T06:26:06.759-03:00Sorry. There should have been a link and I mispun...Sorry. There should have been a link and I mispunctuated. <a href="http://www.postpunkkitchen.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2053258" rel="nofollow">on the one about anti-vegetarians</a>.<br /><br />Also, the article is flawed because it brings in deep ecology without making it clear that deep ecology and veganism generally do not mix.Vanilla Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07946634138308342764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-12674169019205991372010-07-15T08:16:53.357-03:002010-07-15T08:16:53.357-03:00PS We do need a bingo card, though. Just today I...PS We do need a bingo card, though. Just today I find that someone on another site has tried the "carrots used to be living too" one on me. Why is it always carrots?Vanilla Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07946634138308342764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-55290930890958907062010-07-13T07:36:56.237-03:002010-07-13T07:36:56.237-03:00Am pretty sure this one is aimed squarely at PETA....Am pretty sure <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/smiteme/4184149900" rel="nofollow">this one is aimed squarely at PETA</a>.<br /><br />And <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/smiteme/4184135860" rel="nofollow">This one is aimed at meat-eating feminists</a>.<br /><br />Ah. Yes. This is the one where meat eaters come up with silly stuff, right <a href="http://www.postpunkkitchen.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2053258>here</a>.<br /><br />I think I've stopped now.Vanilla Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07946634138308342764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-44627909474150460242010-07-13T07:29:47.349-03:002010-07-13T07:29:47.349-03:00FYI, here is Libertarian Bingo.
Although I'm ...FYI, here is <a href="http://punkassblog.com/2007/07/05/libertarian-troll-bingo" rel="nofollow">Libertarian Bingo</a>.<br /><br />Although I'm pretty sure someone somewhere has done a Vegan Bingo card ...Vanilla Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07946634138308342764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-86673384051950706122010-07-13T07:27:13.189-03:002010-07-13T07:27:13.189-03:00Anti-Feminist Bingo Card<a href="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/168/458582249_edbf713fd0.jpg?v=0" rel="nofollow">Anti-Feminist Bingo Card</a>Vanilla Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07946634138308342764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-19466019560877181022010-07-13T06:55:53.266-03:002010-07-13T06:55:53.266-03:00Have you ever seen those things called "Anti-...Have you ever seen those things called "Anti-Feminist Bingo", "Libertarian Bingo", etc? They're all squares full of cliches that seem to fit many of those in that category (things they say or do). <br /><br />What we need is a bingo card. And a list of anti-veg*n remarks with a link to the best putdowns formulated in response.<br /><br />Then we could just look at these things and say, "Yeah. B12 - number 12. Lions - number 3. Bacteria - No 4. Desert Island - No 11", etc and post the relevant links.Vanilla Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07946634138308342764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-61661611133870052532010-07-10T19:33:55.100-03:002010-07-10T19:33:55.100-03:00@Meg,
Thanks for educating me, I hadn't thoug...@Meg,<br /><br />Thanks for educating me, I hadn't thought the other definitions of "privilege" through... I was just so frustrated with Harold Fromm's article.<br /><br />I was looking at privilege from a purely economic perspective. Thanks.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03087034576073856694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-82084641652718864322010-07-10T11:16:58.570-03:002010-07-10T11:16:58.570-03:00@Patrick
I don't think that Claire is saying ...@Patrick<br /><br />I don't think that Claire is saying that vegan food is more expensive, but rather that it's simply not much of an option for some people. Vegan food is often cheaper (my own grocery bill has shown me that), but money is not the only thing that limits choice or grants privilege. <br /><br />For example, I have a relative who wants to eat a strictly vegetarian diet and perhaps become a vegan, but she is a minor and has no control over the food that's served (and the person in charge of that is quite hostile to veganism). She does not have the privilege that I have as an autonomous adult. <br /><br />I know other people that, because of a lack of money, transportation, and nearby grocery stores, get much of their food from a gas station and what people bring them. Still others may find themselves in hospitals or prisons or nursing homes or other situations that do not provide vegan options. And there are certainly parts of the world where people still depend a lot on hunting and/or fishing. Some people even just lack the privilege of access to good information on veganism, which can keep them from trying or being a healthy vegan. <br /><br />Is that o.k.? No, of course not! I don't want to see any animal exploited! But the problem isn't always that people are making a bad choice, it's that they don't have a viable choice to begin with. And I think that's something that we need to understand and also help change -- while appreciating the privilege of having choices.Meghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618960384664890953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-78089146083823008662010-07-10T07:24:56.661-03:002010-07-10T07:24:56.661-03:00Thanks for this Mylene :). As Meg said, it's r...Thanks for this Mylene :). As Meg said, it's ridiculous and it's hard to believe this type of nonsense gets published.LiveVeganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00671123990659252776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-76388183001518486702010-07-10T03:17:36.037-03:002010-07-10T03:17:36.037-03:00Sorry I have to disagree with you Claire. Vegan e...Sorry I have to disagree with you Claire. Vegan eating is cheaper and more efficient.<br /><br />Agreed with Meg, it blows my mind that this Harold Fromm gets all the attention he has. I suppose the ivory tower has suited him quite well yeah? Funny when they pick at their tweed elbows like that. Singer and the other blow hard Michael Pollan do it too.<br /><br />Really all this article makes me want to do is ignore the article and make a large street sign. Cheers.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03087034576073856694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-1085413608688295472010-07-09T20:45:53.117-03:002010-07-09T20:45:53.117-03:00Fromm says: [V]egetarians have more limited goals ...Fromm says: <i>[V]egetarians have more limited goals and have marked out a manageable territory with fewer cosmic pretensions.</i><br /><br />Okay, this thought process (if I may call it that) is just stupid. Being vegan is doable if you have a certain amount of privilege. If you don't know where your next meal is coming from, you're less concerned with what, and more concerned with how much and when. But privilege is also required of being vegetarian, following the slow-food movement, eating local, or even eating low-carb. And if you have the time and internet connection to write an essay about it, <i>you have the privilege.</i> If you choose to be vegetarian and not vegan, that's your choice, not a reason to invent a moral imperative.Clairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13569203211829108437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-87559766679860394772010-07-09T11:32:06.874-03:002010-07-09T11:32:06.874-03:00I saw that one. Ridiculous doesn't even begin ...I saw that one. Ridiculous doesn't even begin to describe it. <br /><br />And of all things, he chooses to bring up viruses? They're not even considered LIVING by most scientists, let alone sentient. Next he'll be saying that we shouldn't worry about killing humans because we smash up rocks all the tie. <br /><br />I can't believe this stuff gets published.Meghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10618960384664890953noreply@blogger.com