tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post3518417906627370393..comments2024-02-03T06:58:02.859-04:00Comments on My Face Is On Fire: Misrepresentations of Veganism on the InterwebsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-24403446535368618462009-10-05T10:49:22.997-03:002009-10-05T10:49:22.997-03:00Thank you for that quote and reference, Luis. I t...Thank you for that quote and reference, Luis. I think that I may use it to put together another post on veganism this week. There's so much misunderstanding concerning it.Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800153451645970774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-65409546630356005172009-10-05T10:45:51.895-03:002009-10-05T10:45:51.895-03:00A 1951 letter titled "Veganism Defined" ...A 1951 letter titled "Veganism Defined" by Leslie Cross, then Vice President of The Vegan Society in England:<br /><br />"Recently the Vegan Society adopted revised and extended rules which among other things clarify the goal towards which the movement aspires.<br /><br />The Society's object and meaning of the word "veganism", have until now been matters of inference and personal predilection, are now defined as follows:<br /><br /> 'The object of the Society shall be to end the exploitation of animals by man"; and 'The word veganism shall mean the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals."<br /><br />The Society pledges itself 'in pursuance of its object" to 'seek to end the use of animals by man for food, commodities, work, hunting, vivisection and all other uses involving exploitation of animal life by man.<br /><br />Membership its the Society is available to all who wish to see the object achieved and who undertake to live as closely to the ideal as personal circumstances permit. An Associate makes no promise as to behaviour but declares himself in agreement with the object. The door is thus widely opened, and the Society welcomes all who feel able to support it. Direction and management of the Society's work, however, rest with the members.<br /><br />The effect of this development is to make veganism unique among movements concerned with animal welfare. For it has crystallised as a whole and not, as are all other such movements, as an abstraction. Where every other movement deals with a segment - and therefore deals directly with practices rather than with principles - veganism is itself a principle, from which certain practices logically flow.<br /><br />If, for example, the vegan principle is applied to diet, it can at once be seen why it must be vegetarian in the strictest sense and why it cannot contain any foods derived from animals. One may become a vegetarian for a variety of reasons - humanitarian, health, or mere preference for such a diet; The principle is a smatter of personal feeling, and varies accordingly. Veganism, however, is a principle - that man has no right to exploit the creatures for his own ends - and no variation occurs. Vegan diet is therefore derived entirely from "fruits, nuts, vegetables, grains and other wholesome non-animal products," and excludes "flesh, fish, fowl, eggs, honey and animal milk and its derivatives.''<br /><br />In a vegan world the creatures would be reintegrated within the balance and sanity of nature as she is in herself. A great and historic wrong, whose effect upon the course of evolution must have been stupendous, would be righted. The idea that his fellow creatures might be used by man for self-interested purposes would be so alien to human thought as to be almost unthinkable. In this light, veganism is not so much welfare as liberation, for the creatures and for the mind and heart of man; not so much an effort to snake the present relationship bearable, as an uncompromising recognition that because it is in the main one of master and slave, it has to be abolished before something better and finer can be built.<br />Veganism is in truth an affirmation that where love is, exploitation vanishes. It possesses historical continuity with the movement that set free the human slaves. Were it put into effect, every basic wrong done to animals by man would automatically disappear. At its heart is the healing power of compassion, the highest expression of love of which man is capable. For it is a giving without hope of a getting. And yet, because he would free himself from many of the demands made by his own lower nature, the benefit to man himself would be incalculable."<br /><br />http://www.ivu.org/history/world-forum/1951vegan.htmlLuis Tovarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09961032806885493005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-18604495259037309392009-10-04T19:02:20.517-03:002009-10-04T19:02:20.517-03:00I notice in her post responding to criticisms, she...I notice in her post responding to criticisms, she doesn't even bother to cite what others have said, but briefly summarizes and continuously refers to "vegan fundamentalism."<br /><br />Well, evidently she is not a "vegan fundamentalist," but rather a "vegetarian fundamentalist" since she absolutely doesn't consider people who eat meat to be vegetarian.Luellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00756410146756239731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-62418567471383051472009-10-03T23:03:20.562-03:002009-10-03T23:03:20.562-03:00I just read your tweet about it. Basically, she&#...I just read your tweet about it. Basically, she's stomping her foot and saying that she can consume all the animals she wants and still call herself a vegan and that anyone who says otherwise is a bully and a fanatic. Oh well. What to do? I've seen more logic and maturity in pre-schoolers. :-)Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800153451645970774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-25621909802925019112009-10-03T22:47:20.761-03:002009-10-03T22:47:20.761-03:00She locked the comments on that post. I wondered w...She locked the comments on that post. I wondered why it had stopped at 65 days ago.<br /><br />She has posted a new blog post in reply (also with comments locked). Nothing shocking really. Still trying to justify things.<br /><br />http://www.noveleats.com/becoming-vegan/a-sour-taste-in-our-mouths/Rahzhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05972061965367384058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-78331264523901114502009-10-02T16:16:38.179-03:002009-10-02T16:16:38.179-03:00Thanks for the article! I've been vegan for ab...Thanks for the article! I've been vegan for about only three years, but I've found the transition to be easy: I avoid all animal products, period. It's easy because I simply cannot stomach the exploitation of animals.<br /><br />I've seem people describe themselves as 'almost vegan', 'mostly vegan', '99% vegan', 'beegan' and it pisses me off to no end. When these people choose to espouse the belief that are something that they aren't, and seek my approval for it, I adamantly refuse. Further, I describe precisely what they are, based up they're own description of their behaviors, and I remain immovable and unflappable. For whatever reason, they want to be a vegan. Well, I want to be an astronaut.<br /><br />I like to use the example of cannibalism, people don't get so fired up about that one and it seems so appropriate.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01669487836441798525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-60670995940818044652009-10-02T14:51:49.008-03:002009-10-02T14:51:49.008-03:00Elizabeth, of course you can repost - thanks! :) ...Elizabeth, of course you can repost - thanks! :) Thanks, Carol, LiveVegan, and Lorraine!<br /><br />Danielle SavoyDShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411947248219700306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-12173619805536332602009-10-02T11:48:53.222-03:002009-10-02T11:48:53.222-03:00Lorraine, sometimes it works and sometimes it does...Lorraine, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. People all react differently. Several months ago, for instance, while speaking to a friend, I made an analogy using rape to try to describe to him just how vehemently opposed I am to animal exploitation and all he got out of it at the time was that I was calling him (an omni) a rapist. he understands now what I was getting at, but at the time, his strong emotional reaction to my bringing up rape made it impossible for him to listen objectively. Glad to have another abolitionist on board, by the way! It's nice to meet you.<br /><br />Practical Vegan, by definition vegans don't knowingly consume animals products. Period. <br /><br /><i>Why not just be at peace that SOME animals have been saved...</i><br /><br />Because I support the abolition of the exploitation of <i>all</i> nonhuman animals--not just those that some think are less tasty than others or those who don't make cosmetics cost less.Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800153451645970774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-4612476897150770392009-10-02T10:40:33.039-03:002009-10-02T10:40:33.039-03:00I am vegan..diet/lifestyle...the whole shabang. Bu...I am vegan..diet/lifestyle...the whole shabang. But think these posts (pedophilia versus animal cruelty/rights) is over the top... Does this mean that if you are a Christian and you gossip/lie/take the lord's name in vain or are jealous, envious then you aren't REALLY a Christian. (or, a really really bad one) Why not just be at peace that SOME animals have been saved...Practical Veganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18175565484031017458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-3618595823559239912009-10-02T10:39:58.375-03:002009-10-02T10:39:58.375-03:00I suppose I should maybe hold back on that, and tr...I suppose I should maybe hold back on that, and try different examples first...<br /><br />I'm always more comfortable in face to face situations (I admire you for being able to put things so well in writing!).<br /><br />As a fairly new abolitionist, I'm learning so much from others.<br /><br />Thank you.Lorraine Haineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11239570273022634886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-90371326470093199092009-10-02T10:23:00.754-03:002009-10-02T10:23:00.754-03:00Very well stated, Vegan Chic)!
Lorraine, the fact...Very well stated, Vegan Chic)!<br /><br />Lorraine, the fact that they're unable or unwilling to hear what you're saying is mostly a sad reflection of their deeply-ingrained speciesism, isn't it? Also, when it comes to "hot button" moral issues involving humans (e.g. child abuse, rape, et al.), most people tend to react very emotionally to those topics, so it can be tricky to use them to make analogies. People just get too worked up to be able to listen.Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800153451645970774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-13261357633677808512009-10-02T09:59:59.509-03:002009-10-02T09:59:59.509-03:00A wonderful article, Mylène, thank you!
Vegan Chi...A wonderful article, Mylène, thank you!<br /><br />Vegan Chic – thank you for making the point so very well! I use the same analogy in face to face conversations, and sometimes people really think about it. When I make the same point online, however, I'm often told that if I can compare child abuse with consumption of animal products, then my perception is 'way off' and any further discussion with me would be pointless. <br /><br />That always upsets me...when people 'write off' the point being made and refuse to continue to converse with me. Still...not everyone 'closes off'.<br /><br />Elizabeth - I love your podcast. You are an inspiration.Lorraine Haineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11239570273022634886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-37193748921383275522009-10-02T09:41:09.743-03:002009-10-02T09:41:09.743-03:00Thanks Mylene :)
Thanks Vegan Chic for the commen...Thanks Mylene :) <br />Thanks Vegan Chic for the comments.LiveVeganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00671123990659252776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-88960281562039599772009-10-02T06:44:54.368-03:002009-10-02T06:44:54.368-03:00Vegan Chic. May I PLEASE use this comment. Pleas...Vegan Chic. May I PLEASE use this comment. Please oh please. I wil totally give you credit.<br />:-)<br />Love this blog!Elizabeth Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07364910521855672878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-37358978494373196092009-10-01T20:19:07.388-03:002009-10-01T20:19:07.388-03:00Great blog post! :)
Brilliant comment, Vegan Chic...Great blog post! :)<br /><br />Brilliant comment, Vegan Chic! :)Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08141095758501020898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-36758879075986324322009-10-01T18:30:35.700-03:002009-10-01T18:30:35.700-03:00I've been 98.9% [against pedophilia] for about...I've been 98.9% [against pedophilia] for about four years. I'm not a fanatic [anti-pedophilia person] so I will [have sex with children from time to time ..." I mean, I gave up kiddie porn, but it's the whole sex-with-kids thing I just can't commit to completely giving up yet. "I admit that I haven’t gone beyond [giving up kiddie porn] much yet. [...] One reason for this is that finding people my own age to have sex with is extraordinarily difficult and expensive. I do make the effort to have sex with adults "from time to time, however until the monetary prices [of prostitutes and dating] come down, [or until I become more attractive] it will be hard for me to be willing to fork over the money for [this endeavor] on a consistent basis. ... Every anti-pedophilia person "has a different goal or purpose for their [sexual partner choices] and lifestyle. ... They don’t all put the same weight or importance on their [choice of sexual partners] or the [type of porn they watch] ... For example, one [anti-pedophilia person] may continue to [have sex with children], while the other [anti-pedophilia person] may only [have sex with persons his own age].DShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411947248219700306noreply@blogger.com