tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post2919155456005773354..comments2024-02-03T06:58:02.859-04:00Comments on My Face Is On Fire: PETA's 'Mister Manners' Tells Vegans to Eat With (and Even Kiss!) Meat-EatersUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-83531743623751289192015-05-22T22:22:19.015-03:002015-05-22T22:22:19.015-03:00This is Friedrich's way of telling people they...This is Friedrich's way of telling people they shouldn't have the right to know if the foods they eat contain GMO ingredients. Friedrich is just another Monsanto ass kisser.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-83073739697769805712011-11-17T04:46:40.135-04:002011-11-17T04:46:40.135-04:00Strangely when I've spent any time with Bruce ...Strangely when I've spent any time with Bruce F he has been the one to ask about ingredients in a cafe - for example whether chips are cooked in with other things or if the burgers had quorn in - because at the time I was too shy to ask. (it was around the time I was going back to being vegan from vegetarian so just finding my voice) It was some of the omnis in my friendship group and family who were convinced that asking would cause massive problems. Having said that it is necessary to ask politely - getting stroppy (which I have to say several vegans of my acquaintance have done) isn't helpful.<br />I do agree with the authors on one point - having omni friends is a good thing. Yes it's horrible to watch them eat sometimes, but if it stops them thinking that vegans are weird alien types doing something completely impossible for them then it's worth it. <br />Bruce's partner is vegan, mine just vegetarian - draw your own conclusions ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02356183636678698512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-3858955125543190412009-05-16T18:14:00.000-03:002009-05-16T18:14:00.000-03:00I've been thinking over your comment today and wan...I've been thinking over your comment today and wanted to respond to the point with which you disagree from a couple of angles.<br /><br />I see a very firm line between <I>accidentally</I> consuming something that is animal-derived (i.e. when you had every reason to believe that it wasn't) and <I>choosing</I> to put yourself in a situation where you may very likely end up consuming something that's animal-derived (e.g. not asking about ingredients). I mean, when anyone starts talking about percentages and veganism, it makes it sound as if veganism is about "purity", which it isn't. On the other hand, it <I>is</I> very much about intention and the conscious choices we make following through on those intentions. And those intentions and that follow-through should <I>always</I> be focused on avoiding the consumption of animals, whether or not that avoidance is 100% possible. <br /><br />Because of this, not <I>asking</I> what's in a dish while <I>knowing</I> that there's a possibility that it will contain animal products--it's just not vegan. You're consciously choosing to "maybe" eat animal products. And why? Because of fears that people might think vegans are "crazy"? <br /><br />If anything, I think that <I>not</I> asking what's in a dish sends out a worse message that vegans aren't really <I>serious</I> about eschewing the consumption of animals. Even worse, it sends out a very clear message that vegans aren't ethically consistent and that they're willing to compromise their ethics and values for the sake of appearances. It sends a clear message that other people's <I>opinions</I> of them matter more than the lives of those animals those other people call 'food'. <br /><br />Publicly turning a blind eye to possibly eating animal products may make one seem like what you call a "normal" person (which in case would mean an "omnivore"). You say that it would make veganism "a little more mainstream" and that it "makes going vegan appear to be much easier". It sure <I>would</I> make going vegan <I>appear</I> to be much easier; unfortunately, it would also--by definition--make it no longer <I>be</I> going vegan.<br /><br />We're already seeing the watering down of the term 'vegetarian' as it's co-opted by the mainstream. We now have part-time "vegetarians" who only eat animals on some days and we have purported fish-eating "vegetarians". If mainstream acceptance of veganism means a watering down of the term to include consciously choosing to <I>not</I> avoid eating animals (e.g.turning a blind eye by not asking about ingredients), then what's the point?Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800153451645970774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1528521735436082423.post-42322976570500137942009-05-09T11:40:00.000-03:002009-05-09T11:40:00.000-03:00First, I would never date anyone who isn't at leas...First, I would never date anyone who isn't at least a vegetarian. I always like to make the parapell, though it may be a stretch, to racism. If you hate-- with a passion--- racism, you would never date someone who was in anyway racist. Things just wouldn't go well. It's the same with veg*ism in my mind.<br /><br />There is one point in this post I disagree with however.....One of my best vegan friends and I always disagree about this too:<br /><br />I think when you go out to eat, ordering food that you don't know if it's 100% vegan is OK. If you know something isn't vegan, obviously don't get it, but this is why I think ignorance is ok in this situation: Veganism are already thought of as crazy and a unrealistic positions for most people. When they see you asking about every little ingredient when you go out, they automatically discount ever going vegan. When you order something like a normal person, at a normal restaurant, veganism becomes a little more mainstream-- plus it makes going vegan appear to be much easier.<br /><br />In a non-vegan world, being 99.98% vegan and being 99.99% vegan be a huge difference in terms of work. And is that .01% worth discouraging people to go vegan? If that .01% includes going to restaurants and asking about every single ingredient or not eating at family dinners, you are discounting a lot of people. I think just being around people, having them notice that you are a vegan helps a lot. It almost forces themselves to think about going vegan. I think that when you become obsessive about it, it turns people off like crazy. People are too lazy to even go vegan normally, don't give them any more reasons to not do it!<br /><br />I'm sure plenty of people disagree with what was said above, however I think that's awesome!<br /><br />Rock on Vegans!!Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417205395007319120noreply@blogger.com